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swankx
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Originally posted by cutter78
the big three u are right Ford Motor Co. General Motors and Diamler Chrysler (doesnt stand for dodge) if you go to any of there main pages u will find a lot of the smaller car companies are owned by the big 3.... with toyata right up there too owning acura lexus one other one too..... IE Ford owns mazda and lincoln DMC owns mitishubishi *however u spell it* and merdeces GM owns ponitic and chevy get the picture? lol




Close, but Honda owns Acura, Toyota doesn't.

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"The facts, Padilla said, are that Ford is on track to meet or exceed its targets to reduce $2 billion in non-product costs this year and more than $3 billion in material costs by mid-decade,"

Unfortunately, I see the cut in material's costs coming out of our vehicles, or in more material production being farmed out overseas or Mexico where labor is cheap. I believe Ford will survive, but I'm afraid of what their vehicles will turn in to, probably crap like the Focus.


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Thumbs down Ford worries...

Do I think Ford will go out of business? No. Do I think they will be able to be the size company they are currently ? No. They need to cut the fat and get back to basics. They need to get rid of Mercury
and reallign Lincoln with the Premiere Automotive Group (Aston, Land Rover, Jaguar). If Lincoln is ever going to compete with highend luxury vehicles it needs to be independant or sold side-by-side a premium brand. They need to focus (no pun implied) more on quality than on sales numbers. Look at the Escape and Focus, with as much as they have spent in recalls and fixes their profit margin has to be much lower than just building it right the first time. I know they also have to be losing customers with their shoddy work and poor dealer service. I know I will never buy a Ford again. The troubles I have had with this vehicle, compounded by the lack of intelligence from the service techs working on it, dissuade me from trusting them ever again!

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Let's face it...the monkey on all the auto companies back is the !@#$%^& USA unions...it is time these last vestiges of socialism here in the USA get their due, just like the air controllers. There is a shift away from the rust belt for new factories which means a new labor force that is reasonable and can understand the difference between too-high wages and eventual no-jobs.

The Akron Firestone tire union got their just rewards for being lazy and sloppy in the Firestone debacle...they are now hitting the bricks looking for new jobs. There is a breaking point for all companies when labor costs are breaking the company...fighting automation is a good way to get any plant closed...look at what happened to the American steel business. Sure, workers got an extra 13 weeks paid vacation every five years...and the steel industry left the USA. Manufacturers will always (in this union featherbedding era) go where labor costts are lowest. China is starting to manufacture transmissions for Honda, Toyota has just opened their first production line there. VW, GM, Ford, Chrysler-Daimler use Mexico for both parts and complete auto fabrications. Why, because of the terrible union contracts blackmailed upon domestic manufacturers. Auto manufacturing is going out of the USA. The latest longshoremen's strike on our West Coast crippled auto production lines due to the foreign parts supplies being held up. It is a global economy now and high auto prices can be laid directly at the feet of too-high union labor costs here in the USA. heck, we don't even manufacture parts and sub assemblies any more, we just cobble them together using unskilled overpaid labor.

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Ford will be ok. This is cyclic. Ford was booming early in the 90's and late 80's. Remember when Ford had 5 of the 10 best sellers in the country!!??? Granted they are now down to 3. Ford is on its way back. The Escape/Trib have been a great seller. Don't count Ford out yet... Maybe Kia or Hyundia, but not Ford...


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We own a Ford, a Dodge and a Chevrolet. Figure we're covered all the way around - what the heck.

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Re: Are you worried about Ford?

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Originally posted by blackxlt
All I care about is my warranty.


LOL, that's funny....

Don't worry about your warranty. There is no way in the world that you'll end up with a new Escape with no warranty NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!

Ford is no worse off now that Chrysler was 10-15 years ago.

Ford will bounce back even with all the union labor.

I find it hilarious that FLCalling is against American labor (read: unions) when he clearly supports buying American in his signature line. Unions are here to stay. Deal with it.

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TributeBlue
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I bet they are sorry they cut back personnel in quality control in the early to mid 90s. Way too many bad parts slipped through and got caught too late - cost them tens of millions to get past that. For a while some parts from vendors were not being tested for spec. Also, when a bad part showed up in a number of places they had records of where they came form and where they went so they could seek out those cars only and the problem stopped much sooner. With the cut back, Ford had no idea because there were no records kept.
You don't get what you expect but what you inspect.
Other thing Ford should have done was to cut off the bad dealers. The 3 for 2 ratio of customers is bad business. I bought 2 Fords the same year and got treated like a street begger when problems arose.
I would have bought an Escape but the Ford dealer screwed up my wife's car so much last month, and then denied it, we didn't go back to close the deal on the 2003 Ltd.


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Let's face it...the monkey on all the auto companies back is the !@#$%^& USA unions...

Now I see why old FLCalling is ignored and scorned on this board. What a half baked post. Any political issue can be debated, but his hot head posts just arn't worth the effort. Shredder


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RG5626
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I noticed in the business sectionof the LA Times today that auto sales are down 13% from the high November figures of last year. The article also said that Ford was cutting production but did not say on which models.

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Ford's here to stay. If things get truly bad they can sell Aston, Jag, Rover, or more realistically, kill Mercury or Mazda, which continues to be Ford's own version of GM's money sink - Saab.

What's wrong with Ford is leadership. They don't have a Lutz (GM), Ghosn (Nissan) or Weideking (Porsche). Remember, as others have said here, that every one one of these companies have been where Ford is. What got them there can be argued but ultimately they lack that person that can lead them out of the darkness.

Finally, I'm willing to overlook whatever FLcalling's past posts have been. Regardless of what we may infer his politics are, he is correct. Excepting those that work in unions and may thus be presumed to be biased, most anyone that works in or follows the automotive industry will agree with what he's saying. Unions are here to stay but they are undermining the good they once did. Personally, I thought the term "blackmail" reference was appropriate. They have only themselves to blame.

(Caveat - These are my opinions just as everyone else's posts here. Some may disagree and I respect that. Please, no flames.)

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Ford will in no way fall. At least it is more balanced globally than DCX (DaimlerChrysler). Chrysler depends on its US sales entirely. Ford has global operations, even though they loose money (Europe & South America).

I wouldn't even dream of a takeover. The only auto compnay that has the cash is Toyota...and I don't think that it would be remotely possible.

I look forward to the next 100 years of Ford.

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Interesting reading;

http://www.chicagotribune.com/templ...ion=/printstory


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Sam Stone
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I love my new Escape so far ('03 XLT Sport), but the only thing that got me to buy a Ford again was the $4000 under MSRP and 1.9% financing. Essentially, Ford had to give that Escape to me without a profit (or even at a loss).

Why? Because I had a '00 Windstar SEL that was the biggest piece of junk I've ever driven. In the first 15,000 miles it was in for multiple recalls, left me stranded twice, had the transmission self-destruct, required a complete front-end rebuild due to shoddy parts, had a power steering pump fail twice, had two major fluid leaks that required emergency trips to the dealer, had an intermittent rear-sensing system, an intermittent horn, and numerous fit and finish problems like a visor clip that was loose and the screw stripped. The driver's power seat failed, the power passenger door started to jam occasionally...

Jeez, now that I write the list out again, I'm amazed I bought another Ford. I guess that's how appealing I found the Escape, that I was willing to overlook such a disastrous experience at any price.

If Ford fails, it will be their own fault.

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